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Conversations from the front lines and marketing. This is be tob growth. Welcome
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back to BTB growth. I'm your
host, Benjie Block, and today I
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am joined by more Rivera. She
is the CMO at qualified more. Welcome
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in to the show. Thanks,
Bengie, thanks for having me and pump
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to be here. It's going to
be a great conversation here. I know
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from a high level more A.
qualified is a newer company, still building
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brand, targeted account approach, but
behind the scenes you guys have been working
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on really a bigger vision right bring
in a bigger vision to the market,
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and you actually launched that about two
weeks ago, and so we'll pick that
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apart a little bit and discuss it. I promise this isn't a big ad
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for for qualified here, but tell
us a little bit about the big project
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in the work you guys have been
doing. Yeah, so, thanks for
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asking. So qualified, where pipeline
generation platform? We're really focused on helping
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bebb companies drive more pipeline. From
your website we have kind of a core
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flagship product, which is a conversational
product, and then over the last year
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we've started to roll out multiple products, multiple solutions, and so what we
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launched two weeks ago was a larger
vision rather than us just being a conversational
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product. We now are painting this
vision. And for the pipeline cloud,
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the thought behind it was that sales
force kind of invented these cloud solutions.
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If your salesperson, you use sales
cloud, if you're a service person,
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you use service cloud, and we
thought to ourselves, what is the thing,
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the set of technologies and processes that
a marketer uses to generate pipeline,
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and so we kind of pulled together
all of our products and are starting to
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tell this larger story about the pipeline
cloud, the new set of technologies and
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processes for bbcmos to generate pipeline,
and it was an exciting launch for us
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because it was bigger and more visionary
than any other product launch we've kind of
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dead in the past. Hmm See. So what I believe is going to
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be valuable for our audience is just
to hear some of the INS and outs
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of this project, because I think
there were some helpful bits that we can
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all apply to our different context and
obviously, specifically for be tob growth.
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This is for marketing people, but
typically, if you're bringing a product to
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market. You're going to have your
sort of marketing playbook. Here's what we
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do. We run these plays.
This is a bit more unique than that,
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and so tell us a little bit
of what maybe sets this project apart.
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Yeah, well, first off,
I love a launch. It is
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a reason to kind of pull together
your messaging. There is like a line
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in the sand and a date that
you're going to tell people this story.
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It kind of helps you rally your
marketing team around something, your company around
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something, and it gives your prospects
and customers a reason to pay attention to
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you. So I think, especially
as we were smaller and as we are
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growing, we always wanted to have
big marketing. Launch is kind of on
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the calendar to show momentum, show
show velocity. But one thing that I
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have been trying to do and our
team has been trying to do over the
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last few years is be different when
we do a launch. Of course we'll
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do a blog post well, as
you a press release. Will have our
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social swarm, but one question we've
been asking ourselves is, like what is
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our marky asset when we do a
launch? And so over the last year
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we have kind of started this playbook
that all kind of aligns around a keynote
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video, which is kind of the
central asset for when we do a marketing
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launch. The keynote video came to
be during Covid when events had gone out
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the window, but we were missing
that moment where you could make a big
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announcement on stage, and our CEO
kept asking me. He would send me
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links to apple keynotes, like you
know, Jum Cook revealing the iphone or
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the newest color, the newest I've
had, whatever. Maybe he would send
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me links to Tim Cook's keynotes and
Mark Bennyoff's dreamforce keynotes where he would get
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these huge product announcements on stage.
And he kept saying, what is our
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version of the keynote? How do
we bring something to market in this video
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format? And so over the last
year we've kind of burtht this keynote concept,
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which is where we shoot it actually
in a green screen, kind of
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in a big green screen studio,
and we get our narrative really tight.
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We have different spokespeople come on stage, we have a mixture of slides behind
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us and product demos happening behind us
and they arrange anywhere from like eight to
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twelve minutes and it is a forcing
function for us to get kind of our
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whole message wrapped in a bow and
delivered to people and kind of this video
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format. It's on demand. You
can chop it up into a bunch of
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different assets. It is kind of
the central piece that all launch things lead
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to, and so that's kind of
become the the center piece of all of
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our launches going forward. And and
we really stretched ourselves to do this pipeline
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cloud keynote that told this larger narrative
about the world is changing and marketers need
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to keep up. And then we
introduced our solution and we followed that with
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the demo and this really sleek video
and that's become a new part of our
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go to market playbook when we have
an announcement. There's a lot that I
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want to talk about with the keynote
idea. I want to go back because
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you were asking a question at the
front end, right. How can we
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stand out? What are we doing
when we're doing these launches? Like,
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were you experimenting with different thoughts or
because this keynote idea was thrown out during
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covid was like this is definitely what
we're moving forward with. It's just an
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execution, like how we gonna do
that? Walk me through how you went
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about answering that question of how are
we going to stand out? Yeah,
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we knew we wanted something to be
video first. So, to answer your
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question as about execution, video is
is king. You look at all these
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bedby companies now who have their version
of apple plus. We have something called
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qualified plus where all of our videos
live. We knew we wanted it to
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be a video, but we had
a lot of questions about execution. Is
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it live? Is this something we
drive registration for? Do we do it
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in a real event space or do
we manufacture this like cool world that's modern
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and visionary? Do we do the
demos live, which feels authentic, but
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that could make it hard? How
do so? We had a lot of
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debate about how, what do we
want to achieve, and we kind of
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then backed into how we produced it
based on that. So we took a
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ton of inspiration, like I said, from apple and we were like,
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okay, we want this clean esthetic, we want a mixture of slidewear and
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demos behind us. Let's try it
on demand first time or around, because
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we were nervous about live streaming it, just with like all of the production
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implications. Yeah, but then the
on demand approach actually worked nicely because in
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today's world, like do people want
to register and wait for an announcement?
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I don't know. So it's it's
worked out nicely. We've done about five
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in the last year. We've shotten
I think, five different studios. We
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have had different spokespeople from our company. We've had some that were just demo,
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some that had slideware as well,
and we're constantly kind of iterating on
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the format. So it's even things
down to when we go on site,
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like the size of the teleprompter,
to how we use confidence monitors, to
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how we iterate on the script and
collaborate on it. We've kind of been
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fine tuning the process. But that
was a long way of saying we knew
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we wanted to do video. We
didn't know exactly what it wanted, what
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we wanted it to look like and
feel like, but we're kind of happy
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with where we've gotten over the last
year after a lot of testing. Really,
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what I love about this and what
you guys are iterating on, is
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how much it would have to clarify
your message, because you have to when
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you're thinking about the scripting of it. When you're thinking of how we're going
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to do this in a video format. It raises the level of intensity from
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like a Webinar or a typical demo, or it just all the components that
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we think of and be to be
that we have to have right sort of
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as collateral. And this goes how
do we add production value to them?
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And so there's a lot of angles
that I'm sure people are curious on.
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This is why I like being a
podcast hose, because I get to ask
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whatever follow up questions I want to
ask and I get to just hear the
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INS and outs of this. But
I wonder. You said you've done about
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five in the last year. You've
mentioned literally iterating on prompt teleprompters and all
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sorts stuff, but talk to me
a little bit about how it's differed project
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to project and some of the things
you've learned now having done this a few
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times. Yeah, so where we
start? I'll talk you through our latest
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one because I feel like that kind
of reflects our learning along the way.
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The message is King. So where
we starts? We actually started this one
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months ago just doing messaging sessions with
our founders and with our executive team and
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testing the narrative, on them,
getting their feedback on the narrative, understanding
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if the story all flowed well and
really the the keynote started in a slide
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deck format where we put out the
story, we think about the visuals that
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will aid them and then we back
into the script. We've tried kind of
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the reverse order, but we feel
like when we can see the final product
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in slide deck format that goes from
big words on a slide, two big
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stats on a slide, two different
product shots on a slide, that helps
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us make sure that the narrative is
right, that the story is flowing well,
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and then we back into writing the
script. We have different folks participate
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in this in this keynote. So
like our CEO did the introduction, because
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he's laying out this narrative for a
company at best comes from him. He
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likes to help write his own script, so it feels like him and it
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sounds like him. I delivered the
product demo portion of it, so I
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kind of wrote my version of the
script and then we would do hours and
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hours of dry runs before our shoot
date where we would just make sure the
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story is tight and it's flowing really, really well, and then, in
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parallel, we worked with our creative
team. We work in an APP called
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Figma to create high fidelity visuals for
the slides and for the product demo so
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that it all looks really seamless.
The reason that a keynote is good is
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like a blog post, you could
be Jejen the copy up until the day
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of a lot the keynote. There
is a date on the calendar where you're
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shooting this video, where you're doing
the live script reads, and so it's
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a forcing function for you to get
your story really tight. We even,
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once we got our story tight,
our visuals tight or script tight, we
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even do dry runs the day before, practicing our choreography. What's happening on
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the screen behind us, where are
we pointing, so that when we get
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there for shoot date, we,
like, are totally information. We know
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exactly how we're going to shoot it. We've even worked with different studio sizes,
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some that are bigger, some that
are smaller. So we've started to
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use bigger studios so we have more
room to walk around and really make the
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story come to life. But it's
an interesting production because it's a mix of
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product marketing, design, collaboration with
our founders, prepping our spokespeople so that
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they feel animated and confident when they
get on stage. So it's a lot
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of moving parts and I feel like
we're still perfect. We're still debating,
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like the demo component. How can
we make it more interactive? We want
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to bring more customers into our keynotes
so that they can have some customer validation.
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So we did a retrospective last week
and we still have a lot of
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ideas. We question. Do we
want to break out of the screen,
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screen world and go back to more
practical environment? So I think we're continuing
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to like iterate, both from the
process standpoint but also the production standpoint,
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like how we make these really showstopping
videos. Hey, everybody, Olivia here.
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As a member of the sweet fish
sales team. I wanted to take
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a second and share something that makes
us insane mean more efficient. Our team
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uses lead Iq. So for those
of you who are in sales or sales
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ups, let me give you some
context. You know how long gathering contact
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data can take so long, and
with lead Iq, what once took us
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four hours to do now takes us
just one. That is seventy five percent
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more efficient. We are so much
quicker without bound prospecting and organizing our campaigns
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is so much easier than before.
I suggest you guys check it out as
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well. You can find them at
lead iqcom. That's L EA D iqcom.
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Already. Let's jump back into the
show. So I think we're continuing
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to like iterate, both from the
process standpoint but also the production standpoint,
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like how we make these really show
stopping videos. Let's talk about the customer
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side of things for a second,
because if this was done wrong, you
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could be very just selfserving in a
video like this, where it's the same
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reason why people struggle to get Webinar
sign up. So this could just become
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this glorified version of like why put
a lot of money into a project that
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is showcasing your product? Great job, but you still have to get people
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to watch it in like want to
interact with this thing. So I'm sure
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there's like a balance there. How
do we make it engaging enough, entertaining
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enough, also add enough value to
the customer in this that they're going to
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engage with this thing? It's going
to be worth it right. So how
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have you thought about that in the
creation process? Yeah, you have to
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get your money's worth out of video
and investments, whether it's a keynote or
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a customer film. You know,
it adds up. I used to be
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on the video team at sales force
and we would do these beautiful customer story
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films. But you have to make
sure they're used across your website, across
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your marketing assets and the sales cycle. So for us, what we do
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is we have this one kind of
let's say it's a ten minute keynote,
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and then we chop it up into
probably twelve different assets. We have an
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asset that is like sizzle videos for
advertising. We haven't even shorter version that
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we use for Youtube ads to make
sure if people are searching relevant content they
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can see it. They're we have
this site called qualified plus where the long
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version of the keynote lives. We
have a shorter version that's just the demo
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on our product pages. So if
I'm spending x amount of dollars on the
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video production, I at least know
I'm getting usually ten to twelve assets out
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of it. One thing that's fun
is we always do that. We call
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them sizzle videos, but like a
three thousand to forty five second kind of
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Mashup like must know pieces of the
keynote and that's what all of our employees
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push out on social the day of
the launch. So your linkedin feed becomes
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like this sea of sizzle videos and
they have captions underneath them and they're fun
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and they're snappy and they lead to
the longer keynote. They make you want
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to watch them. But you have
to make sure you're intentional about the cutdowns
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that you get. You have to
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a space for all of your assets
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every part of your launch. What
are the outbound cadences and are your sales
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teams using them? What are the
best things that they can use further on
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in the sale cycle, not just
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be really intentional to make sure we're
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views on Youtube. We can see
how long of the video people are
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watching and there's an overwhelming sense of
gratitude from our employees that now they have
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these sleek assets to share with their
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grown up and big and innovative and
it it kind of just like takes our
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brand up a notch, which has
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be a value add I think putting
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in that much time on the front
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the more that you can get out
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places. If that's a no brainer, it's just it's the extra work right.
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how this informs website copy, two
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the place. Walk me through what
that looks like kind of if you're looking
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at the project you guys just did, you're having to plan not only like
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we're going to practice a dry run
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is actually going to go to all
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like behind the scenes a little bit
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weeks leading up to a launch?
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the keynote narrative and look and feel
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rest of the launch flows from that. How far in advance might that be?
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I were like a lucky woman,
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I would do everything like eight weeks
further in advance than we wanted. We
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actually as Burgers. Time is never
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let's see, we did our launch
mid April. We started building our narrative
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in December, January and testing it
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planning, getting the slides built,
this script built, the visuals built,
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which was tight. If I were
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have a little bit more time.
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focused on the keynote. How can
we get that story tight? How can
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we get ready for production? And
then everything that goes into a launch,
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blog posts, advertisements, we wrote
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All of that stuff reflected the exact
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of the keynote and all of our
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a way for our viewers to kind
of understand the story and get excited about
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this pipeline, cloud vision. So
what we put into the keynote then bled
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into everything else we did from a
marketing standpoint and it was nice because it
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all hung together so nicely on launch
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like our email, looked and sounded
like our blog post. We even readd
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our home page to match the narrative. We put new videos on qualified plus
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everything hung together from the creation of
that keynote. If ire to do it
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over again, I'd have two more
months to do it all. But we
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pulled it off because we have like
a really amazing team, product marketing team,
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content team, creative team, and
it's fun to it pushes your creative
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muscles a little bit beyond the typical
marketing playbook and I think to all of
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the marketers out there I would I
think it's an interesting time to innovate on
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video. How do you use video
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do you tell your story in a
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you tell the narrative that's like tied
to your viewers problems and not just chest
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beating like a very youth centric video
and solution? So it pushes us to
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make sure that, like, we're
really tight with our narrative and the story
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the show to enter. I look
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point, how do you tell the
narrative that's like tied to your viewers problems
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and not just chest beating like a
very you centric video and solution? So
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it pushes us to make sure that, like, we're really tight with our
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narrative and the story we're telling.
HMM, I've brought it up a couple
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times and I don't we don't need
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think our listeners are going to connect
the dots of how this is way different
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than like, let's say, I
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know, like the more traditional be
to be video options, right, but
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just give a compare and contrast to
how you've the mega difference, I guess,
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you see in doing this strategy versus
other marketing strategies you've been a part
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of, right, especially maybe in
a video format, where the one that
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comes to my mind recurringly is the
Webinar. But I don't know if there's
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some other things that come to your
mind and how you've seen this be the
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specific benefit over those. Yeah,
I think. I mean look at the
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last two years. How many virtual
events have we all joined in? It's
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hard to pull them off. It's
really hard to keep the viewer engaged.
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It's a lot to ask your viewer
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content. So I think what we
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covid era webinar where everybody is at
home and there's slides on one side and
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faces on a screen on the other, and we looked at that and then
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we also looked at live streaming of
events pre covid like. What was that
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ex experience that you felt like when
you got to be the first person at
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dreamforce to see the unveiling of like
the latest product, that there was excitement
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there. So, if I guess, on one end of the spectrum was
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kind of a blaw Webinar and on
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live stream of a really incredible event. We wanted it to feel more like
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that live stream experience, but we
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digest the content and then move on
with their day jobs. We wanted to
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make it available on demand so people
could watch it when it worked for them,
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and we wanted to uplevel the production
so it felt like a beat to
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sea, like unveiling that apple like
experience that is modern and sleek. And
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so really we were going against the
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I think we delivered on that vision, but I still think there's more work
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to be done as well. Well, I can say you have definitely delivered
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on the vision. I went and
watched some of these and I wouldn't like
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highlight this on it be to be
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as a strategy or as a way
of thinking. So I definitely I love
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that you said Short, on demand, highly produced to me that is what
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sets it apart. And when you're
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if you are going to leverage repurposing
this content, what is your sales
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team going to want? What is
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use this? Is that like?
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someone would digest it when you get
sent a link, right, it has
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to be high quality enough that you
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put behind the thing. So I
love that and I love that you can
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see room for improvement right with it. With anything, you're so in the
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weeds that you're going to be like, okay, there's a million new things
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we want to try and continue to
innovate on. Okay. So I wonder
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now, being just a few weeks
removed from this you're mentioning there's some other
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stuff you would want to try.
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next iterations? What are some of
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going? We would love to try
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into them, like whether there's a
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customer deliver the product Demo just to
give people great confidence that the product were
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pitching works. So how can we
bring more customer speakers into our key notes
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and is there a way we can
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Like I said, we don't want to
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make people grab a number, a
weight in line, but there is something
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really authentic about a live demo and, like you know, some videos have
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gotten so overproduced that you question,
like what's real what's fake. So we're
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trying to just figure out how do
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experience back into the keynotes. I
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on the product demos just to make
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two big things that I'm excited about. Yeah, there's a long list,
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but those are the two things that
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our next keynote. Hmm, okay, let's go to talking about the Roi.
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You've seen from this it's one thing
to create something that's just a great
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asset and you put on a bunch
of stuff, but then you're obviously going
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to look at the return. What
has that been for you? Can you
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share some of the results? Yeah, I mean video is this is the
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age old question, right. How
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production to pipeline generation and closed business? At past companies I've done customer marketing
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and we had customer films and we
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feel like a customer video influenced to
deal. So that helped US justify future
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investments. For us we look at
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look at like overall video Kepis,
what's how many views did it get?
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How long was it watched for?
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or more of the video. That
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want to get a couple thousand views
within the first few weeks of it being
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unveiled. We also look through the
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Youtube. We look at this as
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pipeline generation play, and we do
short ads for people searching relevant content for
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us, for instance, or purpose
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and serve our adds up to people
who might be watching sales forces youtube channel,
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for instance. For us. We
look at the average watch time of
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those videos. Did people hit skip
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just to be honest, we don't tie
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dollar spent to pipeline generated and closed
ACV yet, but I would love to
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build a way where we can look
at pipeline influence from our videos. They
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watch this video, you know,
before they became an opportunity, so that
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we can say these videos influenced pipe
jen and close business. And I think
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that would be somewhat easy for us
to build in the sales force, but
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we just we haven't gotten there yet, but I think we'll get there really
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soon. It's nice to catch you
in a place where that's sort of what
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you're thinking about. What maybe not
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of ways we could track right,
but I think those initial first steps are
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that is like the entry right.
We're gonna yeah, you track in the
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things that we could all kind of
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a starting place for for our listeners. Okay, so look back at this
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process for me in the lead up
to the launch and if there's those that
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are going I love this idea of
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a marketing team and they're thinking,
man, there's some things behind this type
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of strategy that really could be impactful
for us. Are there any pot holes
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that you would say we watch out
for this, any sort of roadblocks that
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got in the way of like execute
this creative idea that you're going hey,
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if you're going to go down this
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an experience with one of our past
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keynotes that we were so focused on
the look and feel of our demo assets
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we weren't as focused on once the
slideware happening before we unveil the product demo.
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were kind of doing our choreography and
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we were talking about what was happening
in the world around us and we hadn't
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figured out what was happening on the
slides behind us. We didn't know where
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to point or where to look.
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type that is really the content of
your keynote video well in advance so when
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you go to shoot it on site
you feel intimately familiar with what's going on.
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I say behind you, because for
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front of this huge sixteen nine screen
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was a challenge. Finding a good
production partner is always a challenge, we
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and it's expensive. So we've gotten
lucky that we have a great production partner
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and we've worked with them for every
keynote. So we feel like there's a
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partnership there that we're working through the
preproduction process, the day of process and
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the post production process and it's gotten
smoother every time because we're working with the
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same partner every single time. Preproduction
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then post production it's about having in
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use VIMEO for leaving comments. We
do tight turnarounds for days of feedback.
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tight work back schedule to make sure we
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get everything on time and slowly but
surely, I feel like the process has
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gotten tighter and smoother time over time, but not without errors for sure,
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and just tons of rehearsal time for
the speakers to make sure they feel good
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to go. Love this as just
a creative episode and as one that I
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know our listeners are listening to,
going, Oh, I see how this
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supplies in my context and different things
we could try or innovation. This one
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thing I love about these episodes right
is we want to help people fuel their
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growth and their innovation in their marketing
and I like this as just an idea.
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And so, man more, thank
you for jumping on here and and
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chatting with us today. There's a
lot more roads we could go down with
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this, but I think this is
a great starting place for so many of
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us if people want to connect with
you and what you guys are doing.
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Talk a little bit about the work
that you do and where people can connect.
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Yeah, so check us out,
qualifiedcom. Our product is a conversational
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product, so you can chat right
with our sales reps the moment you arrive
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on the site. That's kind of
our that's our offering. And then,
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in addition, check a connect with
me on Linkedin, Maura McCormick Rivera,
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if you have any questions. I'm
such a strong believer in video. I'm
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always really excited to hear what other
be tob companies are doing from a content
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creation standpoint to stay and out and
be different. Kind of push the envelope.
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So shoot me a message and I'd
love, love to connect. And
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thank you, Benja, for having
me. It's fun to take a look
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back post launch at like kind of
the creative process, because I think as
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a marketers that's what keeps us going
and what is the exciting part about our
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job. So it's fun to talk
about it little bit. It is.
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Yeah, thanks for sharing that and
I'm sure there will be listeners that will
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want to connect with you over on
Linkedin, so we encourage people to do
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that. You can connect with me
as well over on Linkedin. Always talk
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about marketing, business in life,
and would love to hear from you and
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maybe one of your learnings from this
episode. Specifically, if you've yet to
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follow the show, go ahead and
do that on whatever podcast platform you're listening
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to this on. Keep doing work
that matters. Will be back real soon
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with another episode and one more.
Thank you, Tomura, for being on
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today's episode.