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Welcome back to another episode of BTB
Growth. I'm Dan Sanchez with Sweet Fish
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Media. And today is the second to last
episode of this series I'm doing on
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account based marketing. If you are
just tuning in towards the very end of
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the series, you have to know I've been
doing a full month series in the month
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of February 2021 on the topic of
account based marketing. Um, I was new
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to account based marketing because I
was kind of new to be to be. In general,
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I'm from the BBC World, even doing
things like nonprofit marketing, higher
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red and a bunch of different various
BTC, different industries. Um, a little
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bit of B two b, but I'm still typically
kind of the new guy to be to be. And
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honestly, I love it. I've B two b is
fantastic. Uh, you can easily stand out
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by just applying some branding from B
to C. Um, and then you have all this
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amazing information. You have a whole
extra layer on top of demographics and
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for McGrath, Sorry demographics and
cycle graphics by adding firma,
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graphics, even techno graphics. There's
just so much more information out there,
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you can know exactly who you're selling
to. You can literally just be like
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right down the company's you'd like to
work with and then go find the exact
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buyer on them. And because of that,
I've always been excited about B two B.
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I'm like, Oh my gosh, there's just so
much information. It's so exciting. Um
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and so I wanted to do this deep dive on
account based marketing and here I am.
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I'm on the second to last day reviewing
the subject, and today it's just me.
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And actually, well, I've done a few
resource reviews throughout this series
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today. I'm excited to announce that I
have actually finished reading every
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single book I could find on this topic,
which turned out to be about 11 books,
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um, on the topic of account based
marketing, and I kind of wanted to do a
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quick review of all of them. My and I
can't give a full full on analysis or
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my favorite points or even quotes from
like every single book is. This episode
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will be way too long, but I promise I
will publish. That is a blog post
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probably coming towards the end of even
just the week on publishing this. So
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this will be on Sweet Fish Media. Just
look up A B m books on sweet fish media
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dot com to find that, um, that blog
post where I do a full breakdown side
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by side comparison with all my best
takeaways from each book. Um, but in
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this podcast episode, I wanted to kind
of give an overview a quick overview of
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each book and who I think. Therefore,
um, I am not afraid to say which book
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is my favorite, but in this particular
instance, like, um, for example,
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actually read every book on thought
leadership last year. Um, and I wasn't
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afraid to give away my three favorite
of the 20. So books and and call out
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other books that were totally worthless
when it came to the A B M books, Though
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of these 11 books, there's not a clear
winner. There's actually great points
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in most of them, and they definitely
did a great job and, like most authors,
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did a fantastic job of picking like a
clear audience because I felt like each
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one has a particular segment of people
they're they're aiming for or um
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provides some some particular framework
or information that's valuable in and
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of itself. That wasn't covered another
books. So because of that, it's really
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hard to just pick one as a winner. I
certainly have my favorites. I'm a
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little biased, though, um, as just one
person you have to realize sometimes
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when you're covering every book on the
topic, your few the first few you read
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are always the most special to you
because you learned the most through
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the first few. And towards the end,
when you're listening to the last ones,
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you're like, Oh, I've already covered
this information before, only only a
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small fraction. The book was new, while
this first one was really good because
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so much of it was new. Well, it's
because that was the first book. So you
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have to take it with a grain of salt.
When one person like myself is
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reviewing all the books that I'm always
that a person like myself is always
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going to have a bias towards the first
books, read, um, that being said, let's
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take a look at the Let's list out the
books that I've read, and then I'll go
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back onto each one and say My general
thoughts on the book and who I think
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the book is for. So let's dive into the
list. The first one is B two b is a B M
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by Sandra Vieri. Hopefully, I
pronounced your name right? Sandra, Um,
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it's a that's a hard one. I also did
another one by San Graham called
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account based Marketing for Dummies.
That was the second book. The third
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book is Practitioners Guide to Account
based Marketing by Bed Burgess and then
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the fourth is account based marketing
by Chris Golic, Peter Isaacson, Jessica
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Few Ellis. The fifth book is buyer
based marketing by Matthew Cross CA.
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The sixth book is no forms, no spam, no
cold calls by Latin. Any content? Uh,
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the seventh book is the book on account
based marketing by bus Um Hamdi. The
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eighth book is unleashed possible by a
Samantha Stone. The ninth book is
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content based networking by James
Carberry. The 10th book is how to get a
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meeting with anyone by Stew Henke
Henske Somewhere in that realm, Sorry
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stew and 11 is the ultimate sales
machine by Chet Holmes. Now, not all of
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these books are like 100% account based
marketing. I did my best to try to
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define some parameters around the books
I was I was reading. I also found that
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some, like unleashed, possible covered
a lot of topics and account based
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marketing was just one. But it covered
so well in the chapter that she gave to
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it that it was like worth bringing into
the list. And some are kind of like
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almost subcategories of account based
marketing, but we're still worth
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bringing into the list, so let's kind
of cover them one by one. The first
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book I read on this topic was B two B
is a B M just because it was probably
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the most popular recommendation, and it
still is. If you ask for a B. If you
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ask for a B M book recommendations,
most people are going to recommend this
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book. This probably is the top selling
book on A B M, um, by San Graham, and
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I'd say Santorum is definitely one of
the top thought leaders in the space as
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the CEO of Terminus. And he has. He's
been pioneering the whole category for
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for about 56 years now and has written
two books on the topic. Um, I really
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like me to be his a B M because of the
team framework that became a super
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helpful framework and because I think
he invented it. Nobody else really
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touches it as much, or at least spells
it out his team. But that, honestly,
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it's such a simple framework and
summarizes account based marketing so
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well that it became like the way I even
defined and organized a lot of the
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episodes that I did over this last
month. I would say, Like I said in the
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in the episode where I just did a full
review on this book, you can go back
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into the episode archive to find the
full review on this book. It is a
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little long like it could have been
half about half as long. It's still
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covered the same amount of content. Um,
but if anybody wants to get started,
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the subject this is a great one. Um uh,
same for account based marketing for
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Dummies by San Graham as well. The
thing the difference is is kind of like
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What kind of books do you like to read?
If you like out like very detailed
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outlines. Um, then the dummies book is
gonna be great because that's kind of
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what dummies books do is they outlined
the heck out of a subject and organize
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it really well, versus B two b is a B M
is probably gonna give more of your
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stories and have more case studies for
you to look at that are more in depth
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and kind of give, uh, be more of like a
traditional business book that way. So
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both are good for the same reasons, but
they just have There's just organ
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information just organized differently.
So that would be my my takeaways on
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those books, the Practitioners guide to
Account Based marketing. I just
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finished reading this one yesterday by
Bev Burges. This one was painful to
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read because it was just it was just
dry. I don't know what it was about the
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way it was written. Um, and Bev, if
you're listening to this, I'm sorry, I
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don't I just struggled to read this
book. It felt like reading. And like a
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19 eighties business textbook, I don't
know why it felt like that. It's not
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like the It's not like the writing was
bad. The writing was clear and well
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written and articulated. It's just
harder to read. It was just a little
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bit more dense, and at first I thought
this book was just going to be a
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complete throw away. But towards the
second half of the book, it actually
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started to make sense. Like why they
named this book, The Practitioners
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Guide. Because this of all the books in
the stack, this one certainly is one of
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the more advanced ones. And if you're
an A B M practitioner, this book is for
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you. Like if you are an A B M person
like you have a B M in your job title
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or, you know a B M takes a significant
part of your job. You have to read this
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book because it actually does break it
down very well. Um, it's very thorough.
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What I love about it is it's a This
book is actually produced. I'm pulling
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out the book right now. Let's see by an
organization called
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I T s m. A. Um, I have no idea what
that acronym stands for, but apparently
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this is the organization that actually
coined the term account based marketing
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and you can tell that this book is
thorough and weighty because it
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provides a lot of first hand research
they've done with their own, I don't
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know, with their own crowd or members,
So it's got a lot of hard facts and
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data about the topic. It also has a
huge amount of very thorough case
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studies, which can be a little much to
read in the case study format. But if
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you're a practitioner, that's like it's
always hard to find, like first hand
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data in case studies that are this good.
So if your practitioner this book is
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golden, you really should read it. It's
dense. Uh, it's not the most like,
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flavorful read. Um, it's more of a
steak dinner than it is like a hot
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fudge sundae. Okay, um so well done,
Bev. On putting together a very
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thorough guide for practitioners who
are actually in the space full time of
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a B M. Uh, that's what this book is
good for.
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The next one is account based marketing
by Chris Golic, Peter Isaacson and
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Jessica Fuel s. This book is like the
book written by These are the demand
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base guys which demand base is probably
like the most enterprise level tech
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stack for, uh, for A B M practitioners.
Very expensive, but very thorough and
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well put together. Um, these guys have
been doing a B M for quite a while now,
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and I would say this book is really
good for people who want to explore
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what a B M could look like rolling,
especially rolling it out in their
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organization.
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If you are a very big company, like if
you're a Fortune 500 this is definitely
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the book for you. If you're looking at
a B M like, you really shouldn't be
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looking at other books. This is This is
the book is very thorough and look,
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giving you a it almost. It almost gives
less A B M tactics. So it's full of A B
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M tactics and actually shows you how to
implement a B M. From a change
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management perspective, this book does
a fantastic job of showing you how to
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roll this out. How to assess the
organization If it's ready, people, you
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need to get involved all the
departments to consider all the
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research you need to do ahead of time,
how to do a very controlled, uh, test
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for your organization. And then it does.
It doesn't, like, cram like its
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technology down your throat. Um, it's
very good at just leaving it as leaving
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it to the subject matter itself. Um, it
does talk about technology towards the
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end of the book, but in in not doing
away that even pitches demand base as
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hard as they could have. Um, so very
great book for that. The fifth book is
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buyer based marketing by Matthew
Kranjska. Uh, I just finished reading
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this book. This is probably one of the
last books I had to read before I could
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record this episode. Um, and I Gosh,
this is one of those books that started
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really well. And then the farther I
went through it, the more I realized
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this book, actually, in my opinion,
didn't actually cover account based
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marketing. Even though the full title
is buyer based marketing, widening the
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net of account based marketing. To me,
it was like started off like he was
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gonna tee up how to frame up your
accounts. And then he didn't ever talk
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about accounts. Hardly ever again. He
actually went through and just started
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rolling out what I would be, what I
would consider to be a very well done
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inbound marketing campaign. But as you
know, inbound marketing is not a B M.
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Can they fit side by side? Absolutely.
Should you run them side by side? Yes.
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I would definitely still do lead
generation and inbound and demand gen
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and all that stuff. In addition to
account based marketing. You don't have
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to, but I would, uh, you're still gonna
have people coming inbound that you're
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not even aware of. Even no matter how
sophisticated your tech stack is
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identifying intent and all that kind of
stuff. Um, that being said, there were
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a few nuggets in this book, but I don't
have enough time to get into, like, the
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few nuggets. I've just kind of giving
you an overview that this is probably
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one of the last books I would recommend
if you wanted to learn about account
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based marketing because it doesn't
actually talk about account based
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marketing that much. Number six is no
forms, no spam, no cold calls by Latin
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content. Um, fantastic book. It kind of
gives, like a different angle from,
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like, a CMOs perspective. What a B m
looks like and who to get involved and
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what it takes to put a B M in place. It
even goes up as far as connecting it to
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the organizational strategy, Um, all
the way down to the individual players
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that need to get involved kind of like,
um, the demand base book. This one's
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written by Latin me is a CMO of six
cents. So it kind of has that similar
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flavor but just kind of has a different
approach, and I can't say this one's
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better for enterprise over the demand
base book. It's just it's just
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different and how it organized the
information If I had to go with if I
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had to, like, make a hard choice of one
over the other. For an enterprise level
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B two B marketing situation, I'll
probably gonna recommend account based
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marketing by Chris Golic or the Demand
the Demand Base book. I thought it was
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a little bit more thorough and well put
together, Uh, and I think would be more
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useful for an enterprise level
organization.
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Number seven is the book on account
based marketing by Besame Hamdi. This
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is one. I did a full episode on the
shortest book by far of the whole stack,
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the easiest to read. But honestly, I
think paints the best picture of
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account based marketing without even
getting into much of technology. Um, I
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really liked this book, and I think
this will be my top recommendation for
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anybody who's curious about it. They
don't want to spend like they don't
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want to read a whole book, but they're
like, Yeah, like so. Like, if they want
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to go beyond a blog post and actually
get a good idea of what an account
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based marketing strategy looks like,
I'm going to recommend this book every
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time by by Osama Hamdy Um that just
it's just so well written in the story
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like you, you feel like you're going
with him in his story like you can see
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it unfolding and his thought process.
It's just it was a It was a wonderful
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book. Um, it's short. You can find it
on Audible. I think it's like a 2.5
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hour book. If you listen to it on
double time, it takes like an hour and
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a half to listen to.
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Number eight is unleashed possible by
Samantha Stone. I just interviewed
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Samantha Stone. She is wonderful. Such
a thought leader in the B two B
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marketing space and one of those those
rare gems that is so good at
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understanding all the like, high level
strategy, as well as connecting it down
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to the details and the dirt like you
can tell, like she's spent decades at
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this and on both sides, implementing it
with her own hands, writing copy,
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setting up technology as well as coming
up with high level strategy for big and
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small organizations. Uh, I could feel
it in the interview because I could
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Pretty. I felt like I could ask her
anything, and she would have a very
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sharp answer her book unleashed
Possible. It covers like a full gamut
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of B two b marketing, and it's amazing
to read a book like it, because very
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few books can cover such a broad topic
and still feel really actionable. And
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her book did. A big section of it
covers account based marketing. She
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gives a very great perspective on
account based marketing, but also what
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I love about it is it doesn't like have
account based marketing by itself. She
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covers a lot of other aspects of B two
B marketing and how it plays in with
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account based marketing. So if you're
the kind of person like me who wear
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account based marketing is like one
major section, but still just a section
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of your whole marketing plan. This
book's really good. That kind of
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showing you what a full B two B
marketing strategy rolled up could look
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like. Um, so I do recommend this book.
If you're looking into a B M as far as
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what it can look like with alongside
your other marketing, uh, strategies
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Number nine is content based network
game. This was actually I know I said B
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two B s, A B M is the first book I read.
This was actually the first book I read
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on account based marketing, but it's
not like no one would call this an
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account based marketing book. But it is
really It's actually like a very
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significant and probably my favorite
tactic for implementing an account
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based what is an account based
marketing strategy. In fact, when I
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first came onto sweet fish, I was
trying to tell people about content
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based networking as a as a strategy,
and they're like, Wait, content based
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networking. You mean content marketing?
I'm like, No, it's totally different
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than just content marketing. It's
content based networking, and what I
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had to start doing to explain it better
to people is it's it's essentially at a
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B M play for podcasting, and then
they're like, Okay, and that's I did a
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whole episode on what podcasting to
look like for your A B M strategy. Um,
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but this book is It's a quick read.
It's a fun read. Um, it's even better
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on audio version, though I read the
paper back. I have it in my hand right
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now. Um, it's fantastic at If you're
going to implement like a B M,
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I don't know, like, how do I explain
this? It's It's almost like 80. The 80
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20 rule the Pareto principle applied to
a B M. If you want to do and get 80%
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that you would ever get out of an A B M
campaign with 20% of the effort, just
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do content based networking. Uh, start
a podcast. Or you could do this with a
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blogger YouTube channel as well an
interview. Ask your ideal buyers who
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are not yet customers to be on your
show to get face time with them, and
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I've already covered the whole
methodology in a different podcast. So
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go back and search for podcasting, A B
m on sweet fish media dot com, and you
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can find how that play works out. And
there's another whole blog post we've
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written on contest. Just search content
based networking and you'll find the
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blog post and the Ted talk and the book
and all that stuff. Um, I'm a little
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biased because James is my boss, but
honestly went to work for Swedish media
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because I knew this play was so good.
Um, okay, Number 10. How to get a
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meeting with anyone by Stew Henschke Um
so do
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covers a variety of tactics that sales
reps or marketers could use to get a
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hold of executives, which aren't always.
They're not always easy to get a hold
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of, so it's kind of tricky going from
the engage stage to the activate stage
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if you can't actually get ahold of them
to get face time in some way. And so
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while this doesn't cover all of a B m,
it is like a fantastic tactical book
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for one section of a B. M called
Activate. How do you get people to move
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from? Engage to activate. This is your
book. If you want to go to one on one
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engagement, this book is packed, packed
with tactics that are going to be
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fantastic for any A B M play. So while
it doesn't cover a strategic a bm
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approach, so many other books did that.
I'm glad there's books, like how to get
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a meeting with anyone that you could
like insert into your A B M library as
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like all a bunch of examples of how to
use, um, how to get tactical with a B.
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M.
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And the last book is the ultimate sales
machine by chat homes. Now, I would
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never have included this book in the
list, but so many people, like, reached
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out to me a link to and be like, Oh, a
b m s A B m s is just that What dream
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100 from Chet Holmes book. A number of
people said that to me that I had to go
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and listen to the book myself, and what
I discovered was really fascinating.
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The book is actually fantastic. Like if
you're a fan of, um, the E myth
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revisited and you liked that book, this
book would be the best part two to that
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book. It's not that it's story based,
but it's very like work on your
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business, not in your business kind of
a book as far as building systems. And
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while a lot of his systems are account
based marketing related, a lot of them
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are. He gives a ton of tactical advice
for how you should be running your
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business. Um, and a lot of it applies
to account based marketing, including
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Coming Up with Your Dream 100. But But
since the term account based marketing
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was actually formed way before this
book was even written, I don't think
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account based marketing comes from the
ultimate sales machine. Like a lot of
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people said, it's just that they a lot
of people were probably introduced to
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the concept by this book. First, um,
because this was a really popular
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marketing and sales book, especially
when it came out in 2012 and still is.
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It's a very popular book. Um, so a lot
of people are introduced to the concept
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of coming up with your dream Dream
account list in this book, and he talks
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about a number of tactics in order to
engage and activate those. I will say
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that this book, if you're used to
account based marketing books, this
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book has a totally different flavor. It
comes from a much more like direct
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marketing response marketing type
background. So if you're not sure what
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direct marketing is like Google it
because it has its own weird flavor to
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it, where it's very much like
Infomercial Lee sounding very headline
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and copy Mark copyrighting driven,
which isn't a bad thing, but it comes
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across a little bit like direct. I love
direct marketing because a lot of their
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tactics are great, but at the same time,
they push the envelope with direct
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marketing so hard that it feels like an
infomercial Marshall and just feels a
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little cringe e at times. So that's
kind of the way I get with direct
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marketing. So if you want to see direct
marketing meets a B M, this book is for
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you. Um, it is very tactical, and even
though it's written back in 2012, I'd
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still say a lot of the tactics in this
book carry over and a lot while a lot
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Don't, um, it's still a really fun book
because he's very as a copywriter. He
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writes a very punchy and fun book to
kind of like go along with he really
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gets you pumped up. So and it's again
full of tactics. So if you're looking
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for A B M Tactics, this is a good book
for that. Um, but it isn't the origin
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of account based marketing. I think the
i t. S m. A organization, whatever that
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acronym means, uh, and the
practitioners guide to account based
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marketing probably accounts for where a
B M actually started, or at least where
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the term was coined. I'm sure it's been
going on longer than when it was first
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coined as a term. So there you have it.
That's all 11 books. Um, again, I would
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recommend different books to different
people for different reasons. And I
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know there's still more books to be
written. John Miller, the CMO of Demand
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base I know is working on a new book.
San Grimm is launching a new book, this,
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uh in March. Like in just a few weeks,
and I have an interview scheduled with
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him. It's too bad I couldn't get into
the February to talk about his new book,
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but I'm sure that book is gonna be
really fun as well. I'll be doing a
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full overview, uh, of that with sand
graham to come. Um, but this this
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category is still evolving. Uh, there's
still a lot more to come. I still think
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there probably will. Somebody will
write the ultimate book on a B M. Or
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maybe the term will evolve to be a B X
or something else. But this I'm after
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doing this whole thing. I'm pretty sure
this category is here to stay and is
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only going to get better and better. Um,
all kind of save my learnings from this
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whole month of reading and interviewing
and listening and playing with the
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concepts, Um, for the next episode. So
stay tuned for the next episode coming
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tomorrow. That's going to be my wrap up
and conclusion of this whole whole
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series. But it has been a blast, and
I'm going to do another episode on my
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thoughts around reading every book on
the topic, which is another topic
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totally separate from a B. M. So I'm
going to save that for, uh, probably
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within the next week or two. So if
you're interested in this thing of
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reading all the books, um, and why I
like to read all the books now it's
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kind of become a thing for me. Then
just stay tuned for that.