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There's a ton of noise out there. So how do you get decision makers
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to pay attention to your brand?
Start a podcast and invite your ideal clients
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to be guests on your show.
Learn more at sweetphish MEDIACOM. You're listening
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to BEDB growth, a daily podcast
for B TOB leaders. We've interviewed names
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you've probably heard before, like Gary
Vander truck and Simon Senek, but you've
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probably never heard from the majority of
our guests. That's because the bulk of
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our interviews aren't with professional speakers and
authors. Most of our guests are in
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the trenches leading sales and marketing teams. They're implementing strategy, they're experimenting with
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tactics, they're building the fastest growing
BDB companies in the world. My name
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is James Carberry. I'm the founder
of sweet fish media, a podcast agency
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for BB brands, and I'm also
one of the cohosts of this show.
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When we're not interviewing sales and marketing
leaders, you'll hear stories from behind the
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scenes of our own business. Will
share the ups and downs of our journey
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as we attempt to take over the
world. Just getting well, maybe let's
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get into the show. Hey everybody, drew McClellan here from Agency Management Institute,
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back again in the host seats for
the agency track of be to be
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growth. Always grateful that the folks
there invite me to come back and do
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this every month, so thank you
to them for letting me spend some time
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with you today. What I want
to talk about is the metrics that matter
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to an agency, but before I
do that I want to introduce myself to
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those of you who are not familiar
with me or Ami. Ami Is Agency
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Management Institute. We've been around since
the S and our job is to help
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agency owners run the business of their
business better. So we focus on the
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back of the house things, things
like finance and metrics and whether or not
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you're making money, employee issues,
bisdev strategies, succession planning, growing your
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leadership team, all that sort of
stuff. All this stuff that clients don't
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necessarily see but are critical to you
being able to actually serve clients. So
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that's what we spend our time doing
and today what I want to talk about
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is and want to talk about some
financial metrics that you should be tracking on
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a regular basis. These are very
industry specific. We teach a workshop called
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money matters once a year where we
go into a great detail about these metrics,
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which obviously we're not going to do
today. But every year I'll meet
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agency owners who've been doing this for
twenty or thirty years and I'll go,
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oh my God, why didn't I
know these metrics? And the reality is
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they're very specific to our industry and
so if you're not getting your information,
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if you're not getting your data from
someone one who knows our world, if
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you're working with, for example,
a CPA or an accountant who is a
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generalist, these are not metrics that
they're going to be familiar with. So
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I want to get them to you
now, whether you've been doing it for
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a year or ten years or twenty
years, today's the day you start measuring
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these things, because how I define
winning the game for an agency owner and
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the agency team, by the way, is it's your job, the reason
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why you own this business or the
reason why the agency exists is for the
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agency to be profitable and for the
agency owner and the team to make as
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much money as possible. That is
not a dirty thing, that's not a
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bad thing. You are in business
to make money. You absolutely the way
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you make money is by adding value
and providing value to clients. So I'm
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not saying make money in a way
that is an ethical or doesn't have integrity.
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Have incredible integrity, deliver incredible value, but don't do it for Friggin
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free. And many agencies are really
working, in many cases for free or
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for such a thin margin that really
what you have is a really expensive job,
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and I want you to stop that. I want you to make more
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money and I want you to keep
more of what you make. And the
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way you do that is by understanding
the rules of the game, the financial
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game that is agency management, so
you can play it with great skill and
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great strategy. And the start to
that is measuring the metrics that matter,
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because you all know that whatever you
measure you actually pay more attention to and
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that's the needle that you move.
So what you measure matters. It really
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is that simple. So here's a
truth. Ninety nine point nine tense of
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agency owners did not made your in
accounting and, if we're really honest,
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most of us went into marketing or
advertising or PR to avoid math classes in
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college. So we are not prone
to be math centric, we are not
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prone to understand general accounting and the
good news is if you understand the metrics
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that I'm going to walk you through
in this podcast episode, you don't have
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to be an accountant, you don't
have to understand the gap principles of accounting,
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you just need to look at these
numbers every month or every quarter and
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you're going to know in an instant
whether or not your agency is healthy.
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So here's some things that you should
measure and I'm going to give you a
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laundry list that I'm going to tell
you about some key metrics. Number One,
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absolutely the foundational fact inside an agency, where you get all of your
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data, it's starts and ends with
time sheets. I know there are consultants
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out there that say, Oh,
if you don't build by the hour and
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you don't have to do your time, time sheets have nothing to do with
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billing. Time sheets have everything to
do with asset at allocation. Are you
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using the resources you have, the
people on your team? Are you using
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them well? Are you using them
efficiently? Are you pricing them appropriately?
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Are you telling a client something is
going to take three hours when the reality
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is it always takes seven hours?
You don't know any of those things.
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If you don't have daily time sheets
and you, my friend, you,
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the owner of the agency, also
need to do a time sheet. I
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can hear you now. I don't
do any builliable work, I don't do
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any client work. I don't have
to do a timesheet, I promise you.
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You do have to do a timesheet. We need to know how you're
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spending your time as well, because
if anything, if nothing else, it's
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going to tell you you're not spending
it where you should be spending it,
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on Biz, Deev and other things, that you're getting sucked into client crises
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or other areas. And without the
time sheet you don't really have any idea
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how bad of a problem that is
or how well you're doing it avoiding that
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problem. So everybody on the team
needs to do daily tag sheets. So
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here's some other things. You need
to track gross revenue and the growth of
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that gross revenue, Agi which hopefully
you know is gross revenue. Cost of
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goods. So cost of goods are
going to be media printing software that you
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only buy for let's say you're a
media shop and you have planning and buying
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software that you would not have inside
your business if it weren't for the fact
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that you're buying media for clients.
So anything that is a card cost to
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you, including contract labor, by
the way, that is bought in service
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of clients. So rent, lawyers, fees, things like that. That's
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just overhead expense. But a lot
of your software, all of your contractors,
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printing media, all of that is
a cost of goods. So gross
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revenue cost of goods equals, you're
adjusted, gross income or Agi, and
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the Agi is the money you actually
get to keep to run your agency.
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And so that is you're going to
spend that unloaded salaries, you're going to
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spend that on overhead and you're going
to spend that on profit before taxes.
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So that's the number you need to
track, is Agi. I also want
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you to track how you're spending the
Agi. So what I want you to
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be spending your Agi and is fifty
five percent of your Agi should be spent
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on loaded salaries, twenty five percent
of your Agi should be spent on overhead,
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which will leave you twenty percent for
profit. Now, in our world
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today, right now, employees are
coming at a very expensive premium. They
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know that they're in demand. In
most cases they have multiple job offers.
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So we are overpaying for employees right
now. When there's an economic correction,
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if there is one coming, that
will change all of a sudden salaries begin
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to readjust. But right now you're
probably overpaying. So it may be that
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your salaries are at sixty percent or
sixty two percent. I want you to
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make adjustments in the overhead category,
glory, so that the two of those,
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overhead and salaries, are no more
than eighty percent. What I want
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you to stop doing is robbing it
out of the profit bucket. I want
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you to try and leave that at
twenty percent. Why? Because I want
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you to make more and keep more
of what you make. So yeah,
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I want you to measure that.
What is our AGI month over month,
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quarter over quarter, year over year, and how are we spending it?
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Another thing that you need to be
measuring is how many months of cash we
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have on hand. So total overhead
versus our overhead. So ideally you have
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at least two months of cash in
the business that is liquid, that you
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can get to, and then another
two months outside of the business that the
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owner has that they could lend into
the business that they have to. If
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you have a gorilla client, which
is a client that is thirty or forty
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percent of your business or greater than
you need to have more than two months
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of cash on hand inside the business. I also want you to track how
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long it takes you to get paid, cash flow and some other things.
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So I'm going to get you some
key metrics now that you absolutely need to
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be tracking on a regular basis.
So for your entire agency, and I
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did, I did an episode on
this last month. So if I'm not
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going to go into a lot of
detail here, but you can listen to
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last month's episode and here exactly how
you calculate this. But for your entire
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agency, billable people, non builliable
people, owners, CFO is, whoever
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it is, anyone who gets a
w two from you. You need to
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take all of their time, all
of the time that they could work,
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and you want the seventy five percent
of that time for all of them,
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not by person but as a group. Seventy five percent of that time needs
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to be billable. And then sixty
five percent of that, so seventy five
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percent should be spent on billible tasks. Sixty five percent of it should actually
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be build to the clients. So
seventy five percent billibile sixty five percent utilized.
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And again, if you want more
detail on that, go back to
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last month's episode where I talked for
a long time about out of calculate that.
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So that's a key thing, billability
and utilization. Then I want you
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to measure the amount of revenue that
you're getting from your existing clients. So
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how much new revenue are we getting
from our existing client base? And your
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goal should be sixty to seventy percent
of your net new revenue you're over year
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should come from existing clients. So
when I talk to agencies about their Biz
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DEV goals and there their plans to
grow the the agency, they always talk
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to me about prospects people that they're
not doing work with at all right now.
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And what I'm saying to you is
more than a half of your new
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revenue should come from the clients you
already have, and I did a whole
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episode on that a couple months ago, so you can go back and listen
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consultingcom. All right, let's get
back to this interview. Another thing I
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want you to do is I want
you to look at the new business prospects
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on your target list and if anyone
on that list is less than that,
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you believe their spend would be less
than ten percent of your current Agi and
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want you to take them offlet stop
chasing after the minnows. I want you.
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You don't have to go out for
a whale. I'm not saying you
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have to only go after people who
are fifty or sixty percent of your Agi,
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but I do want you to go
after prospects that are big enough to
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matter. They're big enough to change
the trajectory of your agency, and that
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number is about ten percent of your
adjusted gross income. So again, if
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you're a million dollar agency, you
should be chasing prospects that you think are
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going to kick off at least a
hundred thousand dollars of Agi. Now,
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that doesn't mean if somebody smaller comes
and knocks on your door and as a
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project for you, you should say
now, what I'm talking about is who
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you're proactively chasing after should be at
least ten percent of your current adjusted gross
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income. Right. So we've already
talked about the fifty five, twenty twenty,
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and the key to that is protecting
the tent. So for many of
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you, this fifty five is going
to be heavy. You're going to be
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at sixty as some agencies that are
in the High S, depending on the
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employee mix they have. If you
have a lot of Dev people and folks
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like that. Right now they are
charging a premium price to work for us,
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and so your numbers may be out
of whack, but if you're going
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to steal from something, steal from
the overhead bucket, not the profit bucket,
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because I want payroll and overhead together
never to be more than eighty percent
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of your just a gross income,
and by the way, that includes your
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w two income as well. If
you are an owner, you absolutely need
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to be taking both wt income and
draws, distributions or dividends, depending on
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the legal structure of your business,
but your wtwo income absolutely has to be
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included in that mix, and I
am not suggesting that what you do is
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you squeeze down your wt income to
make those numbers work. You need to
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pay yourself a reasonable wage and for
you need to do that for a couple
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reasons. Number One, the IRS
will say to you, or your State's
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labor division is going to say to
you, that you are underpaying yourself in
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salary to overpay yourself and dividends,
and the reason you're doing that is because
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you're trying to avoid taxes and you
can pay a huge penalty if you get
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audited and you get caught doing that. Number two, if you are underpaying
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yourself what that means is you are
not contributing significantly to your K or your
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simple IRA, because those are all
salary based. And Number Three, the
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IRS is going to come back and
say, you know what, if you
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got hit by a bus and the
agency had to hire someone to do your
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job, then you would not pay
them sixtyzero dollars or whatever small amount of
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money you're paying yourself. So you
need to pay yourself a reasonable wage.
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From most agency owners, in most
Marcus, that's going to be about a
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hundred and thirty grand, which is
also the Max that you're going to that's
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the salary amount that you're going to
Max out your social security. So another
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reason to pay yourself that. You
know your salary and your dividends or your
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distributions, however those, however you
categorize those, those pay you for two
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different roles that you play in the
agency. Your salaries the job you do.
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So you're the CEO, you're the
president, you're the bizdev Guy,
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whatever that is. That's if you
stop doing that work, the agency would
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have to hire someone else to do
that work. That's what your salary is
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for. Your draw your dividend,
your distributions. That is the reward for
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being an agency owner and a business
owner and taking the risks that come with
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owning a business. So you need
to have both of those things coming into
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your pocket to reward you for the
two roles that you play. And then
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here's the other metric that I want
you to think about, and this is
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probably the most violated metric in all
of agency land, and that is you
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need to have about a hundred and
fifty thousand dollars of Agi per fte.
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So in other words, if my
Agi is one point five million, then
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I could have ten employees. There
is a range. Hundred and thirty thousand
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dollars is a safe range. It's
fine, but odds are you're probably only
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making single digit or ten percent profit
if you're at that point. So if
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you want to get back to my
twenty percent profit, which should be your
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target, you want to get closer
to the one hundred and fifty of Agiper
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fte. If you're any anywhere near
a hundred thousand dollars of Agi per ftee
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that it should be a huge red
flag for you that you either are overstaffed
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or you are really over servicing clients
and everybody's busy and they're doing billable work
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but you're not actually building clients for
it. But there's a problem there.
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You need to be examining that problem
and sort of triaging what it is and,
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whatever it is, getting it fixed. So again, hundred fifty thousand
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dollars of Agi per fte. Another
thing I want you to measure is I
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want you to measure the client mix
and balance of your agency. So ideally
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you would have no single client that
is over twenty percent of your a total
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agi and you would have no single
clients that is smaller than five percent of
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your total agi. And if you
do that, if you have clients,
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every client you have is bigger than
five percent of your total agi and no
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one is larger than twenty percent.
That's an ideal balance. If any of
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those clients goes away, will it
hurt? Will you have to pinch pennies
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for a little while? Yes.
Are you going to have to do a
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massive layoff or cuts or, you
know, expenses dramatically? No, you
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won't. So again, no single
client over twenty percent, no clients smaller
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than five percent of your Agi.
So that I want you to have a
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balance and a mix of clients so
that if for any of them walk away,
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you're not at risk. Another client
factor. I want you to look
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at his profitability. You should have
at least ten percent profit from every client.
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Do not pay for the privilege of
working for someone. Do not work
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for free, do not work for
pennies. Every client should tick off at
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least ten percent profit. That is
more than reasonable. Now I'm not saying
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all your clients too only kick off
ten percent profit, because then obviously you're
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not going to get to the threshold
of twenty percent profitability. But a client
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is acceptable at ten percent. Anybody
who is below ten percent, you should
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have a plan in place to grow
their profitability and if you can't grow their
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profitability, you should have a plan
in place for replacing that client and then
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saying goodbye. All right. So
what I want you to do is I
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want you to take all of these
numbers that I've given you and I want
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you to build a dashboard. We've
built a dashboard that includes a lot of
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these. We call it the AMI
financial report card. We will include a
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link to where you can download that
in the show notes. It will give
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you a glance at your numbers very
quickly. You only have to fill in
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a few numbers and then it calculates
the rest. So you're more than welcome
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to download that and use it.
It has a dashboard, a visual dashboard,
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on the front end, so you
will be able to use pictures to
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look at very quickly at whether or
not your health. But some of the
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things that I've talked about today aren't
built into that spreadsheet. So you're gonna
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have to build a auxiliary dashboard,
if you will, or another spreadsheet,
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whether it's in Google sheets or excel, to measure all of this. And
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then, with your leadership team,
I want you to review this scorecard on
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a regular basis. So if you
meet with your leadership team weekly, probably
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once a month, you want to
review these because most of these the needles
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not going to move more than once
a month other than the timesheets being done
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every day, so you could check
that every week. Are we at ninety
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five percent compliance, but the rest
of them are really monthly or longer term
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measurements. But if you don't measure
them and you don't then talk about them
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and you don't examine the measurements so
that you have a plan in place to
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adjust or celebrate if the numbers are
great, then you're not going to move
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the needle on these numbers. So
measure them, meet and talk about them
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and make sure that they matter.
That is the way for you to get
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to twenty percent profitability, which is
again getting us to our goal of I
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want you to make more money.
I want you to keep more of the
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money you make, and I know
that when I say you make more money
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and you keep more money, what
that means is not that you're going to
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take it all, not that you're
going to keep it all, but you
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can do all the things in your
agency that you want to do. You
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can invest in professional development, you
can give your people raises and bonuses,
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you can do team outings to create
more Camaraderie and Team Spirit for your team.
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All the things that you want to
do around the culture, around the
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professional development and around the retention of
employees, all of those come with a
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very specific, hard cost and if
you start measuring these metrics, you will
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be able to do all of those
things and take more money home deep for
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you and your family. All right, if you're interested in Ami and you
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wonder what else we do, head
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find them, and I'm always happy
to answer questions as well. Thanks for
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