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Welcome into another episode of B Tob
Growth. I'm your host, Benjie Block,
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and today we're joined by Emily Brady. She's our creative content lead here
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at sweet fish. Emily, glad
to have you on, glad to be
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on. Thanks, Benjie for sure. So kind of the Genesis of why
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I asked Emily on an episode of
be to be growth here. Well,
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I guess there could be a lot
because of her role as creative content lead,
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but specifically because she's been looking into
tick tock for us here at sweet
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fish and we want to talk about
that and really dive in to the power
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of Tick Tock a bit today and
some of her findings and learnings. I
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thought I'd read Emily just a couple
stats here that I found pretty wild about
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tick tock. So there's six hundred
and eighty nine million monthly active users and
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APP has been downloaded two point six
billion times. That number is ridiculous.
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And then in two thousand and twenty
tick tock was the APP with the most
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downloads globally. That's almost I mean
that's two years ago at this point,
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so you can only imagine it's it
has not slowed down people. It is
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not slowing down. Yea. So, Emily, what do you love most
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about Tick Tock? Let's start there. Oh, that's fine, okay.
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I think I love the freedom it
gives me to just be creative and to
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test things, which you have like
you have to be willing to fail on
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Tick Tock and I don't have a
video backgrounds, like I love the written
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word, so to me, getting
on Tick Tock was really scary to be
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on that side of the camera,
but I've come to really love just the
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ability to come up with creative,
silly things, as well as like challenging
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myself to speak into like more thought
leadership things, where you're like, here
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are five things you should be doing
on Tick Tock, so that you know,
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I have to do a lot of
research for that, which I enjoy,
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but I also just I enjoy the
more fun aspect of Tick Tock.
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Then on other platforms like Linkedin,
it does feel right like there's a bit
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of a maybe it's because it's a
lot of experimentation, but it also just
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feels like a little bit more of
the space to like let loose. Yeah,
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yeah, there's definitely more freedom to
fail there. Yeah, and like
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your videos don't have to be as
like high quality, where I feel like,
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if people think about like Linkedin,
there's a certain level of professionalism that
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maybe you aspire to their in on
Instagram, there's like a certain level of
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like the way you want things to
look. facebook would be similar there.
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So what makes tick Tock unique sort
of in your mind? Well, it's
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interesting as I think it's the easiest
way to produce a video, like it's
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for someone like me who has no
video background. Like you can do anything
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in the APP. There are several
filters and effects and sounds and it's all
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just really easy because it's all in
one place. I've never made a video
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like for Youtube or on I don't
know, Adobe, I movie, that
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kind of thing, whatever video people
use, like I don't know, but
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on Tick Tock, like you can
easily make a video and you can easily
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repurpose that video onto any other platform, to which is really neat. Okay,
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so you mentioned that like getting in
front of a camera was not maybe
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your first let you were extremely excited
about that. Right, like written word
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is more your speed. So tell
me about your journey and the evolution what
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you like. How long have you
been on Tick Tock? Yeah, I
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so I started on Tick Tock in
October, or I should say I started
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creating for Tick Tock in October,
and I just I wanted to try it
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to see who's on there in our
space, what sort of be to be
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marketers are on there and to see
if there's really an audience. And I
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wanted to test it out to see
what content works best, because there are
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several different things you can do on
the platform and for me I getting comfortable
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and video just comes with doing it
right, like that's all there is to
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it. You just have to do
it and get in front of the camera
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and there are things to help you
along the way, like if you script
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your videos, that might make you
more comfortable. Or for me it was
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more comfortable to do those, you
know, those lip syncing videos. Yeah,
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just to put a joke in there, something that's relatable, and then
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just to lip sync to something that's
already made, and that's how I started
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out getting into it more and I
still enjoy doing those as I do a
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little bit more talking head videos.
But I think you have to start out
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with what works for you and then
grow from there. So tell me a
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little bit of what you've seen,
specifically in the bet bee tick tock space
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because it there are some people doing
some good things, but also it's a
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little bit obviously still new, right. Yeah, yeah, I don't see
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a lot of company pages on Tick
Tock's. It's similar to Linkedin, like
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we always promote getting the individuals in
your company to be so to be active
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on social and it's the same works
for Tick Tock, because people want faces,
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they want to know who's behind the
brand and they don't want more company
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content. So I haven't seen a
lot of people doing that. Well,
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I haven't seen a lot of those
companies on there, to be honest.
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But then the the individuals who are
doing it really well. They have they
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have a niche carved out and they
have a style carved out to you.
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I think that's something that's unique about
tick tock is you'll be really successful if
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you're just if you have one thing
and you go for it. And you
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see this in like influences on Tick
Tock, for example, like there's a
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there's a dog named noodles the pug. I don't know if you've heard of
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him seeing him, but this guy
literally he stands up his dog every day
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and he's like is he going to
stand or is he going to fall over?
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And if he stands, it's the
bones day and if he doesn't,
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it's a no bones day, and
like it's so many people grabbed onto that
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and we're obsessed with it. They're
like that's a nobones day today. So
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you have to find like that one
thing that sets you apart, and so
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I'm trying to discover, like how
do we do that as be to be
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brands, like how do we find
that one thing the people know us for?
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I think if I were to say, like a company that does this
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well, do a lingo and they're
maybe there be Toc right there, an
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APP, but they embody a person
or really well, they've got the big
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green owl and there and people love
them like they're huge. So I would
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say if a company can harness whatever
magic they've got going, like they're just
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they're a little bit brazen and brave
with the things that they put on there,
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and I think you you kind of
have to be to get people's attention
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on there. What are some of
the I guess maybe things you weren't anticipating
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that you see is now kind of
like benefits to tick Tock. Aside from
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increasing my confidence on camera. I
think I enjoy like you can take your
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tick tock content and repurpose it on
Linkedin and people really like that. HMM,
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I'll give you an example. Todd
clousser is like killing it in be
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tob tick tock right now. I'd
say he's he's like up at the top
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and he does a really great job
of repurposing his content. It doesn't work
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the other way around. I've not
seen anyone repurpose content on to tick tock
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that gets any sort of traction.
So I wouldn't recommend that. But he
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takes his videos, he makes them
in Tick Tock, which if you're not
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if you don't have a video background. I don't know todds background, but
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if you don't, that's a good
way to do it, and then take
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that and put it on Linkedin.
He gets way more engagement on Linkedin than
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he does on Tick Tock. But
that doesn't negate the fact that, like,
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he's got that content on tick tock
and he made it using tick tock.
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So I think that's a huge benefit. Is when you repurpose it onto
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something else. His audience is probably
more people who are on Linkedin. But
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so that's why he doesn't get the
numbers on Tick Tock, but that's why
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he gets the numbers on Linkedin and
people still think it's funny and fun they
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like the funny and fun yes,
which I think he's a contesting yeah.
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Well, I have a couple cushions
on him because I obviously I see his
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content on Linkedin all the time.
It's fantastic, but I've never stopped to
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think about what you were talking about
before, which is like this niche plus
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style which he kind of covers,
like comedy, but like, do you
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see a more specific lane that he's
running in other than just like be to
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be comedy? But I feel like
that's basically what he's doing. That's it.
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But he has incredibly original content,
like he takes time to make that
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stuff and it's all original. He's
he uses trending sounds every once in a
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while, but for the most part
like he's come up with all of that
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from his brain. On the flip
side, I will say one of my
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favorites on Tick Tock is will aiken, who's active on Linkedin as well.
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But what makes his tick tock really
great is the opposite, is that he
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only I don't want I don't say
only. He mostly uses trending sounds and
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audio and does the lip syncing thing, but he's hilarious and like he ties
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it into sales problems and pain points
and like people just theylet like. He's
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got a huge following on tick tock. I'm not sure about linkedin. I
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imagine it's the same, but he's
hugely popular on Tick Tock and that's because
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he does that really well. Yeah, I like that. It's two different
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approaches, but you can kind of
use either and finding that lane that works
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best for you. Right, because
if LIPSYNC is what got you into it
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and kind of gave you that forward
momentum to just keep trying, that's really
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works. Or if you have all
these creative ideas, obviously tick tocks and
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be a great space for that.
You mentioned one thing that I wanted to
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kind of circle back to. So
you were saying linkedin content moving over to
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tick tock doesn't really work. Have
you tried that? Like here's a listicle
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that I had on Linkedin and now
I'm putting it into some sort of video
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format and you just see those videos
bomb or what do you kind of mean
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by that? Yeah, I will
say there's a way to do it.
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Here's the way not to do it, taking micro videos you've made for Linkedin
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and putting them on Tick Tock.
I have tried that and that got really
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low engagement. I've also seen accounts
that have have done that and those accounts
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don't have very many followers. Because
you repurpose the square as well. Right.
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Is that part of it too,
where like even the video format?
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Yeah, you're literally just taking that
square, you're downloading it from whatever you've
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made it on on your laptop and
uploading it onto tick tock. It just
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doesn't work, also because, partly
because because that's not what people are on
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Tick Tock for. They don't want
that, but also because tick tock prefers
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it when you make content natively,
like they're going to penalize you and they're
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going to bury your content if you're
not making it in the APP. Another
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thing that I've done, if you
want to talk about like repurposing content from
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linkedin on to tick Tock, I
actually take a lot of linkedin posts that
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we've done on the team and all
make it into a tick tock video,
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like here are five ways to X
Y Z that I've seen, like maybe
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James had has posted something and I'm
just I'm using it as a script right
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instead of repurposing a video. So
that way I'm making it in the APP.
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It's my face, I'm talking to
people and it's helpful content. That
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does work. That's a good strategy. Hey, everyone, emily brady with
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sweet fish here. If you've been
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to the show. Hey, I
just wanted to clarify that because I think
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that is an easy in road for
someone on your team and letting it be
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personal. I totally can see the
benefits there. On Tick Tock, I
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don't want to follow brands, I
want to follow people. But if you
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have someone that's attached to a company, that's your primarily following because they're in
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some B Tob Lane like I've totally
going to opt into to follow someone like
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that and you're putting a face to
it. That is a lot more personal
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than even just having James Post words. There's something so human about that,
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like connection that the repurposing of that
on linkedin where it's like your face now
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instead of just your words. I
really like that. The potential there.
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Yeah, okay, so any other
things you would say as far as like
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people that we should be following paying
attention to, and maybe it's not just
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be to be specific, but ones
that you're like, man, I'm learning
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a lot from this person. Yeah, well, those are my two favorites.
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I also so like Sam Hembry has
some good stuff. Corporate Natalie has
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some good stuff, I think.
Corporate Marketing Bro is the other one.
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He's huge. I have a list
of people that I really enjoy following.
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But I think one thing a lot
of people are worried about when it comes
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to tick tock and like downloading tick
tock and actually being active on the platform
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is just drowning in the amount of
content. Is just drowning in. Yeah,
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and also, like there's a lot
of garbage content on tick tock,
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and so a lot of people just
don't want to they don't want to deal
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with that. But there's a really
easy way to filter it. You just
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pick, you know, a handful
of people you want to follow who are
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in your space. Maybe it's be
to be marketing, maybe it's not,
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but you there's a following page and
there's a for you page. For you
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is going to pop up like all
kinds of different content. Following is just
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the people you've chosen to follow.
I spend five minutes maybe on the fore
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page every day because there's not a
whole lot that's valuable to me there.
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The following page is the people that
I've actually I've chosen to follow. So
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that's it's created content. So I
think that if you're worried about wasting time
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on tick tock, that's a really
good way to manage your time so that
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you're not lost in the void of
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natural, I guess, progression in
my mind is going we kind of understand
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what it is right we know like
maybe who we should start following, and
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we sort of understand a bit more. But then there's this like why question,
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because there's a lot of brands like
betob companies that are going, is
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this even necessary, like should I
even worry about another outlet that like we
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need to put someone in charge over, empower someone to take over. When
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you think about why, someone,
you would tell someone to get into this
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that's in the betob space. What
would be your sort of pitch? I
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would say your audience is probably on
ticktock and the the user base is aging
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up and, like you said,
and at the beginning of this episode.
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The amount of downloads that ticks.
Tick Tock is the number one download APP.
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That's insane and so and if you
think about like I think, be
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to be influencer, the people who
are making the buying decisions in companies are
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there that age where they're on there
on ticktock. Their millennials, and I'm
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not even talking about millennials, like
my dad. He's sixty years old.
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He's on ticktock every single day.
And my dad hates social media. Did
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you have to convince him? No, he's adamantly like, against instagram and
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facebook and all that stuff. We
started creating tick tock videos in two thousand
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and twenty when we were all quarantined
together. Ever since then he literally every
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night before he goes to bed,
watches tick tock videos. So your audience
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is there. So there's that.
Another reason is because video, video is
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trending, like video is only going
to be more and more prominent, even
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on Linkedin, as we're seeing people
repurpose their video from Youtube and from Tick
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Tock on to Linkedin. It's just
more attractive now and it's it's a good
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time to get in on it.
If you haven't already. I also think
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it's good for us to have those
skills of being able to create video and
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as we're on this journey at sweefish
to say by by commodity content, like
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we don't want another cookie cutter approach. We want something that's exciting and new
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and fun and entertaining, and I
think a lot of people do want that,
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which is what makes tick tock so
attractive. So you have to know
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your goals as well. Like I
know a lot of companies on tick tock
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have the goal maybe to be seen
as thought leaders, so they're they're posting
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thought leadership content, which is great. And then there are other companies,
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and I think this is an approach
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like we want to show our culture. I think tick tock is a great
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way to show your company culture.
It's also great for like recruiting talent.
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Right, if you want creators,
they're all on Tick Tock. So if
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you want to attract creators, then
get on the platform that they're on and
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create content that is attractive to them. So I think it's a really good
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tool for I don't know about I
don't know so much about sales. That's
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not what I'm going for. I'm
not trying to get customers on tick tock
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at the moment, but I think
it's a great platform for education and entertainment
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and recruiting, right, and then
ultimately people are even just building brand awareness.
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Right. Yeah, I might not
be making the sale, but they're
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some sort of connecting point and a
familiar face to your brand, which is
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there's a lot of power in that. I wonder, and this is just
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a kind of curious question, I
wonder what your thoughts are on I think
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of the types of videos I see
on linkedin right now where it's either a
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video podcast right, with some sort
of branded text box around it and then
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you have the subtitles going. What
do you think like and this you don't
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have to have a final answer.
You can literally just go this is my
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thought right now. But that type
of video versus like someone posting a ticktock
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repurposed video. That's specifically in sort
of that thought leadership vein, because they're
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both sort of trying to do the
same thing but they're obviously different, slightly
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different formats, both in video.
What do you think is going to gather
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more engagement or, like, perform
better long term, like, do you
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think one or the other is is
sort of more beneficial? Yeah, I'm
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not entirely sure, because they're still, even though you can repurpose content across
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platforms, they're still their own unique
platform. So I think that those,
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those videos that are framed with,
you know, your company Logo, I
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think those do really well on Linkedin, especially as they, you know,
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hopefully drive people back to your company
page or build your company awareness. I
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mean, I think that tick tock
videos that are repurpose us on to Linkedin
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do really well too, because it's
just more conversation. Yeah, and there
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are a lot of people obviously on
Tick Tock. That's what people want,
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is more conversational and more personable,
and I think on Linkedin it's really not
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all that different. So yeah,
it might be trending towards that, but
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I don't really have a definite answer
on that. Like my brain thinks,
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the way that I even follow people
on Linkedin. I know that the they're
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associated with like a company, but
there is still a very personal aspect of
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learning from someone and when I see
like hyperbranded content, even if it's not
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intentional, because I'm marketed to all
the time, I kind of start to
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question like are you marketing to me? So it's just something I'm aware of.
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Like one's probably not better than the
other, but I could see how
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a tick tock video might accomplish something
slightly more personal in the long run because
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it's not hyperbranded. I don't know
right. Well, makes me think of
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the Christmas jingles that we did.
Write, that out of office jingles.
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Yeah, that some of our sweetfish
team did in December, and people loved
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those and those weren't we weren't trying
to brand those, we were just trying
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to have fun. Right. So
I think those worked really well because it
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was casual and it was fun and
it was entertaining and it was something people
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could engage with and have fun with
and we had fun in the process.
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It really was really fun. Okay, let's s sort of finish the episode
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here. Yep, if someone's gonna
jump into this, like, do you
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think they need a bunch of video
ideas, a bunch of content, like
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what's the how to to sort of
put a tick tock plan and action and
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really start testing things? Yeah,
I think. I think first you have
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to know why you're on the platform
and it could be just to see what
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it's all about, have fun,
tested out, experiment. It could be
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because you want to build brand awareness
for your company or for yourself. Could
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be attracting talent, but I think
it's important to determine that. And then
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I think it's important to stay consistent
with with a certain type of content.
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Do you want to be the person
who does trending audio or do you want
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to come up with original content?
And there's anything in between that, like
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do you want to do maybe singing
videos or dancing or which? I mean
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that's a stereotype. It's not all
singing and dancing on tick tock, but
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pick that one thing that you want
to do and be consistent with it and
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then connect with other people there,
follow other people there who are doing what
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you want to be doing and just
learn from them. And then a lot
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of it is just experimentation and just
just testing out different kinds of content or,
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you know, the content that you're
talking about. I tried talking about
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Linkedin on Tick Tock, but that
doesn't work so well because people on Tick
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Tock maybe are not on Linkedin.
And then I tried talking about content creation
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on tick tock, which worked a
little better, because a lot of people
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on tick tock or content creators.
So just determine what it is that you
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want to talk about and what your
message is, and then, I guess,
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just have fun with it, honestly. Oh, I would say also
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like pick someone in your company who
can own the channel, who has time
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to do it, and it doesn't
have to be a full time job.
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I spend like an hour a day
maybe making a video, and right now
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I'm putting out, you know,
trying to put out a video every day.
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How has that consistency helped you?
But just one follow up there.
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Yeah, well, I've heard that
if you really want to grow fast,
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you should be posting two to three
times a day. Okay, which I
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don't have capacity for and not many
will do, unless you're creating maybe those
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fifteen second lip syncing videos. Those
are really easy and quick, but if
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you're creating something totally original, that's
going to take time. But I've found
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just for me, it's a personal
goal just to be consistent or else I'm
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totally going to drop the ball.
So if I don't have a goal of
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like make a video a day,
then I'm going to fall behind right.
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But yeah, find someone who can
own that and who will be proactive in
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creating content for you. There's a
lot of good here and I love the
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just the exploration of a new platform, and so one of the big things
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that I am going to take away
from this episode is that idea of like
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niche plus style, having some sort
of this is the type of video that
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we do consistently, what people can
expect from us. That's something I hadn't
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really thought through. Having someone own
the channel mental for your company, but
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even allowing them to do it on
their personal page, is an easy next
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step and allowing someone with some margin
to just experiment consistently. That is a
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great goal to just get on the
platform and start to discover things. So
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you gave us some great people to
follow as well, checking out do a
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lingo, Todd Klausser will ach in, so we'll try to link to all
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of those in the show notes as
well, and you guys can check them
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out on ticktock. Emily, thanks
so much for being here on be tob
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growth today. Yeah, thanks for
having me, Benjie. Absolutely so.
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