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the world. Just getting well, maybe
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let's get into the show. Hello
everyone, welcome back to the BTB growth
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podcast, ABM series. I'm Christo
to grap CEO of Sendoso and one of
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the hosts of the show. I'm
joined here today by John Common, CEO
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of intelligent demand. Welcome to the
show, John, Hey Chris, great
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to be here. Thank you.
Yea. So, for the listeners who
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don't know about intelligent man, can
you give like a brief intro? And
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you bet so. Intelligent demand,
we're we're a Bob Growth Agency and what
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we do is we help marketers become
revenue leaders. You know, the way
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we do that is by helping the
CMOS and the VPS who hire us to
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help them to design and build and
perfect integrated growth programs. That's what we
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call integrated growth programs, and what
they are designed to do is to connect
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the dots in a way that targets
specific business needs, like we need to
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acquire new customers, so acquisition,
or we need to reduce customer churn ran
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retention, or we need to cross
sell up cell lands and expand with existing
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customers or, you know, expansion
and those integrated programs that we do together
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with our clients. It's all about
translating, you know, targeted business goals
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to the right integrated strategy, bringing
that Integrated Strang energy to life with Integrated
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Omni channel campaigns. And then the
most important part is connecting that to measurable
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results. And we've been doing it
for a decade with all kinds of clients,
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cross lots of different industries, but, you know, account based is
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a really central, really central piece
of what we do. So it's really
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cool to be here today talking to
you on this ABM series. Yeah,
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likewise, you know, what I
find interesting is that, you know,
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you've been around for about a decade
now, I would guess, to make
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that abms maybe been around for about
half that time. So how have you
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evolved as an agency or do you
have any kind of perspective based on kind
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of ABM coming into play, or
do you think you've always been doing abm.
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They're just well for it. Yeah, yeah, so you know a
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couple things about that. You know, if you could talk to a if
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you could talk to a salesperson,
a B tob sales leader, and you
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say tell me about ABM, they
say, and correctly so I think they
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say, what is all this ABM
talk? I've been doing it since day
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one. Right. So, Bab
sales and successful sellers have always been thinking
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about accounts. Right. So I
think what has happened over the last decade
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and certainly the last five years,
as you pointed out, is that marketing
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has been catching up, frankly,
and two sales. And I know that's
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a weird thing to say, but
I think it's actually kind of true,
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catching up two sales relative to the
importance, kind of the central importance,
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of understanding that if you don't target
the right accounts, it kind of doesn't
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matter man. Right. So there's
that piece totally. And then the other
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thing that's been happening, obviously,
is the tool sets and the best practice
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is available to today's be tob marketer
just you know, has exploded and that's
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mostly a good thing. And the
reason I say mostly is obviously marketers can
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can do things today at an account
level as well as a contact or human
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level, that they just haven't been
able to do in the past, especially
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when you start to think about how
do you scale a truly effective account based
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program just the capabilities, the tools, the best practices exist today that just
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this warn in place, you know, five, six, seven years ago.
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Now. The other side of me
saying mostly is, you know,
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you know where I'm going around.
It is, is that all of that,
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all of those tools, all of
those buzz words, all of those
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strategies and tactics, you know,
comes comes to the cost, right,
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because I think I think the goal
of driving revenue as a be to be
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marketing leader. Today, while you
have more tools and opportunities than ever before,
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I think it's never been more complex, right. So I think it's
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a good thing, but I think
it comes with some complexity that has to
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be that has to be managed by
marketing teams. Yeah, and on that
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point, you know, I think
with account based marketing it kind of spills
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over into a lot of different marketing
roles. Are you seeing a kind of
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ABM play and marketing ops and demand
Jin and is that something that you guys
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are are chiming in on and helping
with. Yeah, this is my take
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and this is this is intelligent demands
point of view as well. About about
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account based. You know, I
think you can think about account based kind
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of tactically, right, and and
I well, I let me, let
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me take it even a step further. I think that it would be incorrect,
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and I see it all the time, though, is it? People
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can reduce account based down to literally
a tool, right, or a tech
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or a single tactic. I think
that we know that that's that's a mistake.
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Right. Account based is not a
software platform. Account based isn't just,
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for instance, advertising. So I
think most people who've been thinking about
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and doing account based now for a
year, two or three kind of we're
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past that. We know that account
based isn't a tactic, but I think
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we're still seeing pockets where people perceive
account based as a as a strategy,
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which is which is correct, I
believe, right. And so when you're
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planning out your go to market for
your company, not everything you should do
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has to be account based, right, and and in fact it shouldn't be.
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I mean, there's still a role, I think, for one too
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many kind of Demanjin it frankly,
most, almost all of the companies that
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we work with. They're still a
need for demnation and there's also clearly more
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and more a need for account based. But if you know from our perspective,
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if you really look at what account
based requires a company to do and
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you appeel that back, what what? What we see in our point of
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view is that you see that there
are really seven or eight key pillars that,
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if you if you look at him, you go, Oh, yeah,
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that's what you have to do to
account based. But if you spend
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the cube just a little bit,
you realize, wait a minute, account
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based is is now forcing us and
guiding us to do the things, frankly,
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that we should have always been doing
all along. Right, and so
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what are some of those things?
Like, example, Account Bay says,
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okay, if you want to be
if you want to succeed with a count
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based you had better take cross functional
alignment and orchestration seriously. Right, if
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I say that to your like,
Yep, you got to do that for
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count based. Yeah. Well,
my total, I think, will be
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to be revenue man like. You
got to be kind. And all those
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years that we were doing to manage
in and throwing leads over the wall to
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sales. That didn't work back then
in either. You know what I mean.
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Yeah, and here's here's another example
of something really like. Oh,
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you're going to go do account based. Well, you're going to have to
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really get serious about your data,
the quality of your data, at the
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account level, at the demand unit
level, at the cont well, okay,
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that's true. If you're going to
do account based and succeed, you
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got to get serious. But data, well, my point is you got
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to get serious about that, no
matter whether you're doing a count baste or
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not. And so what I love
about a count base is that it is.
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It is in the reason I think
it's been transforming be to be revenue
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growth is because not only is it
a useful go to market strategy inside of
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account based, it contains the pillars
for how to be successful with be to
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be revenue growth. and Are you
seeing, you know, either with your
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clients or just across the industry,
it's really, you know, from the
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fortune five hundred all the way to
kind of smaller startups strategy and approach.
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Yeah, I mean we're doing account
base right now with SMB's. We're doing
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it with mid market accounts we're doing
it with some of the largest companies in
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the world and so you know,
those campaigns or the programs always start.
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Say Again, we say, Chris, say what about some of the cross
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industry stuff? Like, I know, looking on your website, like Heiser
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Permanente, do you see that,
like, you know, they're are a
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be to be company, but it
looks like they're a client hears. Are
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you seeing this fall outside of be
to be companies or, you know,
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is this completely just a be to
be strategy? I think it's primarily a
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be to be strategy and interestingly,
a healthcare companies like Kaiser actually a huge
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piece of what they do is be. You you might not. Actually that's
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a good point too. Write like
you know, hell, yeah, but
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these they sell. I think it's
like sixty plus percent of people still get
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their healthcare through their employer, which
means that healthcare is a be to be
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industry, which is yeah, but
yeah, whether it's healthcare or telecom or
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technology or business services, all these
verticals that we work in, what we're
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seeing is that account based approaches and
account based programs have a really important role
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of play, regardless of the industry, as long as it's be to be
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and regardless of the company size.
And again, the reason at that is
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the case is because at the core
of account based it comes to a company,
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it says, if you want to
grow revenue in a more efficient way,
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you should start by asking yourself who
were the accounts that matter the most
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to me, that are the most
valuable and where we have the highest chance
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of winning. That's just a good
idea, man. That's just a good
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idea for any kind of thing.
Yeah, you Lo this earlier in terms
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of like the text Stac expansion because
of ABM and some of the interesting things
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you could do with that. Are
you seeing that is in increased kind of
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service offering where you're helping companies kind
of manage that expanded Martech sales tech and
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the stack now that there's more tools
to do more things to be more successful?
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Yeah, yeah, well, the
typical intelligent demand client, when we
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meet them, they normally already have
access to pretty robust text act right.
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I mean know, the what I
jokingly call the MARTEC industrial complex has done
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a has done a really good of
selling software to marketers, right, and
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what I think the opportunity is is
to help more marketing teams actually extract more
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value and more return on investment from
those software licenses that they have. So
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when we engage with a client,
the first thing we like to do is
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put in place and integrated strategy and
a program execution that helps them quickly maximize
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the value for the software they're already
own right and then, as we as
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we make that happen together with them, will also look for and we will
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bring to the table opportunities for them
to fill in maybe some critical gaps where
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they don't have the functionality that they
need to, you know, execute their
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revenue growth strategy, and obviously Sin
Dooso's a legitimately a great example of that.
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We're bringing Sindoso into a bunch of
accounts where we're doing account based work
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and there's a whole bunch of other
partners of ours that we bring to the
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table. But again, our bias
is to is to start by helping them
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get more value out of the spend
they're already making. That makes total sense.
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Last question here before I let you
go, John. Do you have
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any two thousand and twenty predictions for
account based anything that you're kind of seeing
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on the early horizon or or anything
that you're doubled downing on. HMM,
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yeah, Oh man. Okay,
well, let's a couple things. What
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you know? We knew and I've
talked about this before, but you know,
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the bay area is a place for
innovation. It's also it's also where
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it's some of the biggest megaphones in
our industry reside, and by megaphones I
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mean, you know, speakers in
the industry where it's like hey, this
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is this is what's coming in the
industry, and so I think it obviously
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the on the topic of account based
you know, that megaphone has been pumping,
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you know, ABM for three,
four years now, and so what
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I see in two thousand and twenty
is an acceleration of account based marketing,
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crossing the chasm from kind of early
adopt innovator kinds of marketing teams to,
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I think we're seeing the early majority
start to really move through the various phases
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of the account base marketing journey.
You know, and at a high level,
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this is how I see those phases
working. You know, it's denial,
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is the first phase, right where
they're like as just a buzz word,
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it's not real. Yeah, we
moved from denial to preparing and preparing,
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the preparing phase of account basis,
when you're like, Oh, wait
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a minute, maybe this isn't just
a buzz word. I need to learn
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more. And then you need from
preparing to pilot, where you go,
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okay, I think account Basse could
really work here at this company. Let's
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let's really try it in a scrappy
way and see if if we can actually
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draw blood, see if we can
really make a difference. And then you
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go from preparing, sorry, from
piloting, to scaling, which is,
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you know, a whole other set
of problems and challenges and opportunities we have.
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Okay, I did it once with
duct tape, but what if I
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was going to do this, you
know, across my entire go to market
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strategy? And so I think,
I think that in two thousand and twenty
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we're going to see a whole lot
more marketing teams moving out of prepare and
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to pilot and moving out a pilot
and scale. So that's one kind of
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big thing that we predict. Obviously, I think we're already seeing more and
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more consolidation within the within the MARTEK
world. I predict, and not not
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the only one who thinks this,
but I think we're going to see more
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consolidation within text technology companies. And
then the third thing, and this is
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something that I'm trying to I'm trying
to bring together to the market more so
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with intelligent demand my team here is
whether you're doing demandin or count based,
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whether you're focused on acquisition or customer
experience or, you know, expansion,
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wherever you are in that in terms
of corporate priorities. You know, after
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doing this for a decade, I'm
kind of sick and tired of seeing marketers
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be down in that kind of integrated
campaign layer trying to do their best job
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to make a successful campaign happen.
And what I'm tired of, frankly,
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in my career is watching marketers toil
and that space without the cross functional alignment
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and guidance that they need from from
the executive team their company. And so
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what is the solution to that?
Is, I think what we're doing more
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and more with our clients is is
helping them get serious about their go to
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market strategy G and get really serious
about for them to hit the revenue goal,
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what is the right mix for their
go to market strategy and how do
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they, as a company get cross
functionally aligned once and for all around that
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go to market strategy and I think
that's a huge opportunity for two thousand and
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twenty. And if a company gets
even twenty percent better at go to market
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strategy and cross functional alignment, they're
going to see all of their campaigns to
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mansion account based whatever they're going to
see them get tremendously higher return on investment
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from their campaigns and their programs.
Love it well, John, really appreciate
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your time here again. Thanks so
much for the insights and sharing everything that
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you've learned over the last decade,
and thanks again for listening of the B
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